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I really like this post, partly because it skillfully articulates reservations I have had for a long time about Buddhist metaphysics. But it is also personally gratifying to finally see some intellectual firepower directed toward metaphysical claims which, frankly, set off my bullshit detector.

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Hi Kieran

I agree with your objection to what you call Wright's second argument (about egoism).

However, this part about his first argument "But this argument makes no sense: if self-interest is a product of natural selection, so is concern for others." seems too quick.

It might be mistaken, but I suspect for empirical, rather than conceptual, reasons. One can think some or many traits are a result of natural selection; others may have evolved but not due to NS. They can be "spin off" or "side effects" of traits that did evolve by natural selection. (example: no one thinks Natural selection evolved a big brain to do calculus - yet - once you've got a big brain, you can do calculus).

So Wright seems to be claiming that our concern for ourselves might have evolved due to NS, but once we have the kind of cognitive and caring systems that have evolved for one reason, we can use them for other reasons (reasons for which they were not favoured by natural selection).

Humans, e.g., also have the ability to kill themselves - but most would think this is a mere "spin off" or side effect of other abilities that have evolved by NS for other reasons. So sometimes we can do things that aren't a result of NS. Imagine rational arguments for suicide in some cases. Apparently humans are capable of doing this (at least sometimes) even if (suppose) natural selection never favoured organisms that kill themselves.

So, in this case, some have suggested that our concern for ourselves (obviously), close family and friends might have been favoured by natural selection on grounds that it benefits the individual. (Don't know exactly what Wright means by "self interest", but this seems a plausible interpretation). Suppose that in relevant ancestral environments, most of those we cared for (including ourselves obvivously) did benefit the individual who cared for them (e.g., due to genetic relatedness or direct reciprocity, perhaps). But then suppose that the agents end up in new environments, where they extend and use these same cognitive systems to care for others, even when those others aren't close relatives.

This is one possible explanation for why we might care about strangers. Perhaps in the relevant ancestral environment NS didn't favour the trait of caring directly for strangers, but such care might be a "side effect" of the reasons it did evolve.

Of course, this is only one possible explanation. But I suspect it is the one Wright has in mind. (He is probably thinking here of the kind of argument that Dawkins and others run).

Another possibility would be that NS favours traits of individuals who do care both about themselves and close family members, but also about those they're not closely related to. This might be favoued by NS via "group selection": Groups of such individuals outcompete other groups that don't have individuals who have concern for strangers.

These are alternative empirical claims, of course. And there are other alternatives. If you're interested in what NS might tell us about whether psychological egoism etc. are true, you might look at Sober and Wilson's book, Unto Others.

But I don't see what is incoherent about Wright's view that a trait could evolve by NS for one reason, and then be used for another. IF he's right (a big "if") that our caring capacities mostly evolved by NS to aim at our self-interest, there is no conceptional problem with us then using those capacities to care for others. (This is also Singer's approach in his old book, The Expanding Circle, which you may know).

At any rate, this is a minor issue for you (though one I happen to be interested in, thus the long comment!). I'm sympathetic with your other objections to the no self view.

And I don't want my objections to this minor point of yours to conceal the fact that I enjoyed this post!

Best,

Chris Stephens

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